My thought too - followed by the immediate chaser "so why don't they just send data over the power cables?". Or, hang on, maybe integrate power and data into the same cable. Then they could call it something like Universal Serial Bus. You heard it here last.
Or maybe it's all going to be powered by Tesla coils...
Love the thought process behind making modular components that could be replaced. In the new carbon economy, we'll all have do what we did in the past and repair what is broken , not throw it away. This is an excellent solution to a problem that will face us all in the not to distant future.
Dislike the fact that it's based on wireless, even at extreme limited range up in the 100'sGHz, I always immediately start thinking 'Spooks' can eve's drop with super high powered gear. That being said , maybe they can already....
I for one look forward to the day when I take the lid off some hideously expensive piece of kit to see lots of little satellite dishes pointing at each other! Just think how space-age it'll look in a 1980's sci-fi kind of way.
Mind you, they don't have to do anything, so sony can just send me a few to stick inside my PC if they want and claim it as a success...
Think of it more like you would need to have your listening device within the workstation to be able to snoop the info being transfered. 14mm isn't that great a distance, and you would need to be within that 14mm radius to pick it up.
Personally, thin kthis is an interesting idea, aside from Wize's (quite correct) security issue.
There might be a use for this in the future, but it's far too early to say.
I thought this was a crap idea until I thought to myself, if they can combine this with some wireless power supply tech too to supply all the individual components/modules, it could potentially mean you could make consumer devices which literally just contain tons of loose components. Pick the device and give it a shake and it also doubles up as a funky babies rattle too! Or we could have HD TVs inside maracas even! The possibilities are endless. iMaraca anyone?
Say you had two identical pc's next to each other on a desk, as is not unusual. Would this not confuse the internal comms? Do or are the cases need to be insulated (somehow?) against this?
could shurely be achieved with, say, a plug and socket arrangement between modules?
like, perhaps, a PC does right now.
call me old-fashioned, but it seems to my brain that a ribbon cable or suchlike is cheaper - both in energy-use and production costs - than a fancy wireless transceiver any day. probably faster too. definitely more reliable.
That means that all the parts can be more expensive, and sonys warranty expiration detector module can tell which parts to die so it looks like a random problem.
..with the same consumer grade receiver. Considerably longer range with decent equipment, just as has been shown with WLAN snooping. What's the tiny wavelength equivalent of a Pringles tube?
When I started reading I thought this was a great feature but clearly it needs some work to be really useful. Exactly what wires are you going to replace with a range of 14mm? Great, they can transmit from one side of the "A" key to the other and with the right kit they might be able to reach the "F" key but even then they couldn't spell "fail". I suppose it might be a useful replacement for an opto-isolator.
Why waste power sending and recieving over such short distances when you could use a simple two wire bus?
If they really wanted to go truly wireless, then we already have electrically isolated components that use optical methods for transfer, e.g. smd lasers/leds.
as far as I understand, a laser sending/receiving system has to be "pointed" to each other, while the term wireless in more general meaning can take advantage of unidirectionality (transmits to and receives from anywehere)
the security buzz around French/Swiss Cybersecurité in November 2009 was that most PC's with wired keyboards TRANSMIT the key scan routines. Full plaintext was recovered in the basement of a 5th floor apartment block from a PC typing on the top floor. Mac's were slightly worse than bog standard PC's as the new thin alu block keyboard emits slightly more power than an el'cheapo plastic PC thing. The reason you haven't heard too much about this is that University of Lausanne where this research is being done was immediately (allegedly) hit by a lawsuit from the Wanking industry - oops spelling a bit off, must be my keyboard, - as the Uni claimed that A** machines were also susceptible. sorry trying again **M machines, last try *T* machines. Anyway, you need a National Instruments USRP software defined radio and a decent digital storage oscilloscope. Intentionally beaming nanowaves around INSIDE the box, or even around peripherals doesn't worry me in the least provided it is designed with some reasonable validation and authentication into the protocols from day one.
Now if only you could find metals that would solidify when an electric current was passed through them! You could combine a few footballs of it with a few bulgarian funbags of teeny tiny little computers that could communicate and behave as one big computer, with the ability to reshape itself!
I fail to see why this wouldn't be the best idea in the world. Ever.
Sony to demo 'world's first' in-box wireless tech
No wires? Great! One small problem...
Presumably when they say "not wired together" they don't include the power cables in that definition? Otherwise...
Yeah yeah, I know, pick pick pick.
Powerline?
My thought too - followed by the immediate chaser "so why don't they just send data over the power cables?". Or, hang on, maybe integrate power and data into the same cable. Then they could call it something like Universal Serial Bus. You heard it here last.
Or maybe it's all going to be powered by Tesla coils...
smart thinking
I love and also dislike aspects of this.
Love the thought process behind making modular components that could be replaced. In the new carbon economy, we'll all have do what we did in the past and repair what is broken , not throw it away. This is an excellent solution to a problem that will face us all in the not to distant future.
Dislike the fact that it's based on wireless, even at extreme limited range up in the 100'sGHz, I always immediately start thinking 'Spooks' can eve's drop with super high powered gear. That being said , maybe they can already....
Possibly...
Depends on how thick ones tin-foil hat is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEMPEST
Cool!
I for one look forward to the day when I take the lid off some hideously expensive piece of kit to see lots of little satellite dishes pointing at each other! Just think how space-age it'll look in a 1980's sci-fi kind of way.
Mind you, they don't have to do anything, so sony can just send me a few to stick inside my PC if they want and claim it as a success...
Won't there be a security issue?
If you had this inside a PC, the data could be snooped with a near by receiver.
Distance
Think of it more like you would need to have your listening device within the workstation to be able to snoop the info being transfered. 14mm isn't that great a distance, and you would need to be within that 14mm radius to pick it up.
Personally, thin kthis is an interesting idea, aside from Wize's (quite correct) security issue.
There might be a use for this in the future, but it's far too early to say.
I thought this was a crap idea until...
I thought this was a crap idea until I thought to myself, if they can combine this with some wireless power supply tech too to supply all the individual components/modules, it could potentially mean you could make consumer devices which literally just contain tons of loose components. Pick the device and give it a shake and it also doubles up as a funky babies rattle too! Or we could have HD TVs inside maracas even! The possibilities are endless. iMaraca anyone?
Insulated cases?
Say you had two identical pc's next to each other on a desk, as is not unusual. Would this not confuse the internal comms? Do or are the cases need to be insulated (somehow?) against this?
Any case will do
At the wavelengths they're talking about, the signal would be stopped by just about any case. About 1mm of plastic should do it.
modular units in-box
could shurely be achieved with, say, a plug and socket arrangement between modules?
like, perhaps, a PC does right now.
call me old-fashioned, but it seems to my brain that a ribbon cable or suchlike is cheaper - both in energy-use and production costs - than a fancy wireless transceiver any day. probably faster too. definitely more reliable.
unconvinced
It does sound rather counter-productive.
And cheaper for Sony, doesn't mean cheaper for us.
I guess it'll probably become more useful in a couple decades.
Faraday box to protect?
Did they say anything about the security measures needed? Would a Faraday box (i.e. metal box around the circuits in question) be enough?
Terminator, because he already has it ;).
I think that probably comes under the "EME shielding" umbrella
(pun intended)
sony
That means that all the parts can be more expensive, and sonys warranty expiration detector module can tell which parts to die so it looks like a random problem.
14mm
Argh, the article clearly states a range of 14mm. Gordon Brown* can't listen in on you at that range, and neither can PCs interfere with each other.
Reading comprehension fail.
* Other Prime Ministers are available.
14mm range..
..with the same consumer grade receiver. Considerably longer range with decent equipment, just as has been shown with WLAN snooping. What's the tiny wavelength equivalent of a Pringles tube?
Insects..
Insects have "antennae", (or colliding Galaxies apparently) the word in this context should be "antennas"
It would make for some pretty cool toys
imagine intelligent lego bricks, or other component based toys using this tech.
slap a few blocks together in the shape of a dog and watch it walk, type thing.
14mm!!
When I started reading I thought this was a great feature but clearly it needs some work to be really useful. Exactly what wires are you going to replace with a range of 14mm? Great, they can transmit from one side of the "A" key to the other and with the right kit they might be able to reach the "F" key but even then they couldn't spell "fail". I suppose it might be a useful replacement for an opto-isolator.
Seems a bit pointless...
Why waste power sending and recieving over such short distances when you could use a simple two wire bus?
If they really wanted to go truly wireless, then we already have electrically isolated components that use optical methods for transfer, e.g. smd lasers/leds.
direction
as far as I understand, a laser sending/receiving system has to be "pointed" to each other, while the term wireless in more general meaning can take advantage of unidirectionality (transmits to and receives from anywehere)
pc's compromised
the security buzz around French/Swiss Cybersecurité in November 2009 was that most PC's with wired keyboards TRANSMIT the key scan routines. Full plaintext was recovered in the basement of a 5th floor apartment block from a PC typing on the top floor. Mac's were slightly worse than bog standard PC's as the new thin alu block keyboard emits slightly more power than an el'cheapo plastic PC thing. The reason you haven't heard too much about this is that University of Lausanne where this research is being done was immediately (allegedly) hit by a lawsuit from the Wanking industry - oops spelling a bit off, must be my keyboard, - as the Uni claimed that A** machines were also susceptible. sorry trying again **M machines, last try *T* machines. Anyway, you need a National Instruments USRP software defined radio and a decent digital storage oscilloscope. Intentionally beaming nanowaves around INSIDE the box, or even around peripherals doesn't worry me in the least provided it is designed with some reasonable validation and authentication into the protocols from day one.
Storms a'comin.....
Now if only you could find metals that would solidify when an electric current was passed through them! You could combine a few footballs of it with a few bulgarian funbags of teeny tiny little computers that could communicate and behave as one big computer, with the ability to reshape itself!
I fail to see why this wouldn't be the best idea in the world. Ever.
modular parts !!
Yeah like heel they will
i would love be able to fix my telly its broke heres a new chip just slot it in ....
Like hell they will .....